ENGINE SWAP

5Alive · ENGINE SWAP

Hello !!

Right i have a replacement engine ready to go in, well just about.

What i need is help/advice. First off while the engine is ready to go in what do people recommend i replace ? ie gaskets, seals, oil etc
This just an example please shout out as any knowledge/experience will be appreciated.
Does anyone have an engine hoist ? we can use Chris's works forklift if need be so not a massive problem at mo.

Also any help that can be offered would also be greatly appreciated, any services will be paid though obviously it will be more like £20 a day rather than an hour

but food and drink and classic comedy moments will be provided no doubt

As always Chris will be involved like the star he is, and Andy as well, but again both are ltd by their time available.

Daz, Mel,

if you can help in any way i would be very grateful as i believe between you's you probably have more experience with engine swaps than the rest of us put together.

Again any help will be greatly appreciated. I'm hoping that we can get any prep work, buying replacement stuff, and taking out parts beforehand ready for the swap can be done this week/end. The car is at Chris's place so the work will be done there.

All work will depend on peoples social lifes, but hopefully i can get it done for Capesthorne, which means we have 2 wkends and poss a few hours on a night time depending on circumstances.

Cheers in advance folks

andburg

I'm free all this weekend

but im getting the vulva rollingroaded on the 25th and I've pre-paid

Adamred5

I'll be able to give a hand saturday but sunday I'll be packing for prague! what time?

roadsterbloke

saturday ill open up at 09.00, but i need to be away at 3.45 bang on, gives us 6hrs so should be able to make a big dint in the engine swap, i can make a few nights available during next week and all day next saturday, this should hopefully be enough to get chive up n running, i'll also pm nath incase he wants to work on his bike,

5Alive

Chris will now be opening up at ten.

5Alive

Good day today, got most of the gaskets/seals/pipes etc ordered ready for next week. Again big thanks to Chris for putting in all the hard work during the week and getting the engine out and all the bits sorted and ready to go back on the next engine. Thanks to Nath n Andy as well for the help and advice.

Chris post those pics you sent me and took today up on here mate.

roadsterbloke

progress after thur / fri, & sat, will stick more pics up during the week

engine stripped of components, alternator, steerin pump, starter motor, turbo, induction manifold & exhaust manifold

motor out, engine bay primed & ready for degreasing & jetwash

old engine out

new one ready for building up

colink

This is really coming on now

5Alive

Yeah got a few more bits done tonight, thanks go to Chris again ! and Andy even though we cut Andy off in his prime as he was just getting into it when we said we had to go home

Also unfortunately Andy and Nath wont be available on Sat to get the engine back in, so please if there is anybody out there who can spare an hour or so, ya don't have to stay for the day. We just need a hand getting the engine back in.

andburg

another busy afternoon!

painting done

timing belt, tensioners and pulleys, clutch and flywheel back on

andburg

this thread needs more updates!

5Alive

Engines in

roadsterbloke

5Alive

roadsterbloke

andy's paint job on the engine bay

5Alive

which reminds me, anyone have any recommendations price/quality for

engine oil
engine flush
heat wrap

Chris what else was there we wanted ?

roadsterbloke

power steerin fluid
instant gasket

ive got some anti freeze, & the new oil filter

andburg

flush?? dont bother

run diesel oil for 2000 miles and replace instead

i have loads of heat wrap here stop by and pick some up lol

5Alive

andburg

yeah but now it will actually run lol

5Alive

Bout time you was in bed

before you go listen to this

Scott D Davis Piano version of Nothing Else Matters by Metallica

roadsterbloke

i'll be openin up around 10.15 in the morning for the final push to get the clives motor up n runnin

andburg

I shall be there!

5Alive

SO big day today, hopefully all will go smoothly and my car will be up and running. Feel free to bob over to Chris's even if its just to say HIIII

Remember he works(lives) the first right after the main entrance to Rother Valley park from Sheff side. So the entrance is on ya right ya go past a pub on ya right then theres a right turn to a ind est, turn right there, down to the bottom left, left into the yard with the gate open Opie pipes

Hope to see some of you

andburg

just need a bloody coilpack now!

Tetley

he's got one now .. I think

5Alive

yep hopefully its on its way now.

andburg

any news on this?

5Alive

coil pack has arrived but its not that Chris thinks its ECU as he took his off his and put it on mine and my car was spot on ???

jd_975

RING ME!!!

roadsterbloke

before

after

5Alive

And all thanks to you mate !!!

Andy has been to Steves n picked up my lappy and ecu so now we are all set for saturday, and touch wood fingers crossed n all that i might have a tuned car before winter kicks in. It would be nice to finally have it done for JAE. I have had the car 5 years and it's never run properly since i bought it so . . . . . . . . . . ?

Ooh i just remembered i have that oil cooler at Steves

dj..john

Looks well nice that matey!!!!!

Froglet

Wow, that looks dead sexy! Nice one mate. Lots of hard work, but so worth it! It'll get mucky though...you seriously won'd keep it looking like that...Daz will be in for competition!

Tetley

ummm .. lets just see if we can get it working and back on the road first

roadsterbloke

Tetley

5Alive

Hmmm i think you'll find without that bloody car there wouldn't be an us

Tetley

.. oh yeah ..lol.

roadsterbloke

she knows what she meant,

5Alive

So an update.

The engine is in and fine and dandy as far as we know. The problem we now have is electrical. Due to the various lives this car has been through it appears we have now have a slight break in the wiring somewhere between the ECU and the coil pack. This could be and hopefully is something simple like a resistance issue(does that sound good ? i mean coming from me

) where maybe the wires have just been wrapped around each other and have over a period of time oxidised and caused comms problems for the ECU.

Oh yeah have some o that

So John has offered to have a look at the wiring for me. Cheers mate

And he has a friend who is going to look at the tuning side of things when the wiring is sorted !!

I'm surprised i remembered everything John said.

roadsterbloke

you would think some one with your obvious technical resovoir of knowledge on all things 5, a simple socket and ratchett would be childs play, hmmmmmm!! isn't it always the case

5Alive

Looky here meester i grew up with a father who knew nothing about cars or diy in any form whatsoever !! and had no interest in doing so, so i guess i had nurture and nature to contend with

Everything at our house was done by someone else

My mum had 5 brothers who were all handymen in one trade or another.
I seem to lack the ability to grasp how to do most things that involve putting things together.

But i make up for it in other ways so i'm HAPPY

roadsterbloke

i didn't realise m8,
& look at you now, the residential expert

your mums brothers must be so proud,

one day your name will be up in lights,

only a '' TECHNICAL'' '' EXPERT'' could coin the phrase ''handyman '' with '' a trade '' in the same sentence,

you truly are very special and i bow down, i am not worthy m8

as per our telephone conversation, you do keep leaving me options

5Alive

GIT !

5Alive

So BIG thanks to John for takin on my 5 !!

many have tried and failed before. John is a stalwart though and has managed to sort the wiring for me. Now we just need to see if the Megasquirt is knackered ? Hopefully not !

Adamred5

good luck clive! xx

roadsterbloke

xx r those kisses

Adamred5

yes they are chris and it wasn't even altered by admin!

roadsterbloke

wot ever r u suggesting,

jd_975

Alright people

Just a quick update on the progress of the car that refuses to be fixed!

The story so far: I renewed the hacked about sections of the wiring loom at the ECM side last week and seemed to be getting good results from the standard ECU but not from the megasquirt leading me to think a possible problem with with the megasquirt, the next day however the standard ECU decided to go down the same route as the megasquirt and now that only runs on 2 cylinders too. Since then I have tried 2 coilpacks, an ignitor and a cam angle sensor all to no avail, further wiring checks have revealed some unexpected anomalies in continuity on the ignitor feeds, there is definately an output from the ecm however my multimeter is not fast enough to interpret whats happening.

The plan: Hopefully getting a lend of an oscilloscope next week to check the ecu and sensor outputs, currently in the process of putting in a temporary bridge for the ignitor trigger wires and repairing the actual connector terminals inside the connectors (time and the amount of people who have had this car apart have taken there toll leaving some of these a loose fit). Still remaining confident despite the fact this car totally defies any sort of logic that I should be able to get this sorted and get Clive back to motoring in style

If anyone`s planning on being in the penistone area next week and wants to pop over for a look at the progress just give me a shout you`d be more than welcome, if you want a cuppa tho bring milk lol (and possibly a cup!)

jd_975

Also if anyone happens to have a good un messed with engine wiring loom that could be a big help

5Alive

Big in fact massive thanks to John for doing this for me, if i could i would buy him a cow !!

To solve his milk problems

jd_975

Finally some real progress, have managed to get a good couple of hours to work on the car tonight and hopefully have come up with some answers, a lot of the wiring checks I have done have come with some completely unexpected continuity results, this coupled with the generally poor fit and condition of most of the connections on the wiring loom I think are throwing the ecu calculations out to the extent it just cant run. I have also managed this evening to do some checks against a car in good running order and all wiring continuity`s and readings have come back totally as expected. Have spoken to Clive and I think generally the best idea would be to go with a complete replacement engine harness from an untampered with car, although it would probably be possible to go through every connection, tighten every pin and trace the cause of the anomalous readings it would be very time consuming and probably not effective long term so I think thats what were running with at the mo.

So if anyone knows of a good loom going spare I`m sure we can find it a good home

jd_975

Another update on the Clive`s car wiring saga, the front end of the car is now stripped and the old loom removed, I have started to fit the new loom however although most of the connectors appear to be the same the new loom has several connectors that Clive`s car does not seem to have a home for, this has not presented a major problem until I have come to the point of connecting the new front end loom to the existing body loom, the connections are completely different (existing loom has 11 connections new one has 24) leaving me with the choice of making a jumper harness from parts of the old loom and parts of the new loom we have (mx5`s have about 6 separate looms in total) or replacing the entire body loom as well, since we have a complete body loom and given the state of the wiring I have already encountered I`ve gone with the idea of replacing the full body loom so that is tomorrows task, as ever I am looking forward to yet more of my house being occupied by Clive`s car (dont say owt av not told him yet that av gotta replace the body loom!) but am stil hoping to at least have the car running on sunday, again if anyone one wants to pop over to offer a hand you are more than welcome, especially if you you stop at greggs first!

andburg

insane...we all knew clives car was gonna be simple things......but all this shit from bad connectors!!!!

I'm gonna call hm in 5 so we might come lend a cup of milk!

Damo

Thats just sounds like an amazing amount of work!!

I dunno about clive buying you beer, I think an actual pub would be more appropriate!!

5Alive

jd_975

Another update

it`s taken a while but finally the new loom`s are in and I`ve got the car set up and running well from the standard ECU, until now the megasquirt has refused to co-operate so I`ve had to leave that in the hands of a friend of mine who is good with electronics, I`ve concentrated on getting the car to run properly using the standard ECU and I`m chuffed tonight to say SUCCESS!!! The car is up and running properly on all four cylinders now and starts first turn of the key. I have also spoke to the friend who is working on the megasquirt and he has managed to repair a few things on it so it will communicate with a computer properly, on looking into the previous programming it appears it`s been set up to run on 7 cylinders! So things are looking good and hopefully after all this effort we might finally start to get to the stage where some tuning is possible, with some luck more updates at the weekend